tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post6770972370308326301..comments2023-12-21T06:35:36.624-05:00Comments on Recursivity: Yet Another Baseless Claim about ConsciousnessUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-57220943662466130502018-06-07T02:22:56.031-04:002018-06-07T02:22:56.031-04:00The discrete instruction-set model of cognition is...The discrete instruction-set model of cognition is a laughably outdated straw man. Gazzaniga has apparently never heard of neural networks or connectionist systems, which deal with non-discrete, probabilistic outcomes quite capably. These networks are based on – guess what? – how brains are actually wired and work. (I have a Ph.D. in communication from Stanford, where I took courses in neural network models of cognition in the 1990s with David Rumelhart, a pioneer of the field).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16061777530566097897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-60653124058748839002018-04-07T10:14:24.751-04:002018-04-07T10:14:24.751-04:001. Call it automaton, golem, automatic pilot, robo...1. Call it automaton, golem, automatic pilot, robot or artificial intelligence (AI), the idea that the inert can turn into the living is not new. And if God can make this happen, why can’t the human? While everything is possible in fiction of course, even some of the actual humans creations have been advanced enough for their times to amaze the uninformed into believing these devices have actually crossed the impossible barrier and come alive. But once the uninformed become informed, the performance becomes less compelling if still amusing. In essence we are witnessing an arms race between human imagination and human creativity.<br />...http://nonlin.org/ai/Nonlin.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15149807667681107150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-6007083230914238172018-02-16T20:55:17.563-05:002018-02-16T20:55:17.563-05:00Flatworms can memorize mazes. Does a flatworm have...Flatworms can memorize mazes. Does a flatworm have as much "consciousness" as a human?<br /><br />No, I don't think so, but it is part of the spectrum on the low end.<br /><br />The operating system of the old computer received input, passed it on to the appropriate internal program to process the input, received the result, and displayed it externally. That is analogous to what our consciousness does. It is the operating systems of computers that are becoming more and more conscious, I think. (Internal programs are becoming more powerful also.)JimVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10198704789965278981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-69444518936633500022018-02-16T18:13:23.695-05:002018-02-16T18:13:23.695-05:00For me, consciousness means "awareness of and...For me, consciousness means "awareness of and ability to respond to the environment". So adding two numbers is not particularly aware at all, but a robot that can navigate in unfamiliar terrain can be fairly said to be more conscious. I am not ready to give a way that one could measure consciousness rigorously on a scale, though.Jeffrey Shallithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763971505497961430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-78912728514994534332018-02-15T11:52:32.606-05:002018-02-15T11:52:32.606-05:00Ok, so if you have an old computer which has a pro...Ok, so if you have an old computer which has a program written in Basic to sum two numbers, and you have a new computer which has a program written in the latest language possible to write poetry, or to control how a robot perceives its environment, does the newer computer have more consciousness?<br /><br />Or is it just a bad question - because neither computer has any consciousness whatsoever?Gingerbakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14211637630936981883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-10896233653873932212018-02-12T19:56:13.659-05:002018-02-12T19:56:13.659-05:00I guess he hasn't heard of Fuzzy Logic, among ...I guess he hasn't heard of Fuzzy Logic, among other things.<br /><br />I have felt for a long time that some degree of randomness is beneficial in game programs and therefore probably part of our evolutionary programming also.<br /><br />In a simple computer, e.g. the old Apple II, it could be implemented by counting machine cycles between external stimuli, such as key or mouse input, and using that as a seed for a pseudo-random number algorithm. It seems to me our neurons could do something similar, such as counting the number of photons hitting our retinas. (In "QED", Feynman mentions that the human eye can detect single photons and was the most sensitive detector available for early quantum experiments.)JimVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10198704789965278981noreply@blogger.com