tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post5771028885633250619..comments2023-12-21T06:35:36.624-05:00Comments on Recursivity: When to Doubt the Science BashersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-10479636803861893082010-03-22T00:50:00.872-04:002010-03-22T00:50:00.872-04:00Numbers 2, and 6 could use some work. After all, t...Numbers 2, and 6 could use some work. After all, the vast majority of doubters (or, if you prefer, deniers) do <i>not</i> work for these groups, and are not well-funded by groups that stand to lose money when action is finally taken.<br /><br />3. "When the deniers publish their supposedly scientific books with publishers devoted to far-right political screeds."<br /><br />Oh, it is so tempting to see whether any scientific books are published by publishers devoted to far-<i>left</i> political screeds. I'll have to take a look...Mirandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-76033330881625784082010-03-21T17:24:09.386-04:002010-03-21T17:24:09.386-04:00Surely, James F! What I mean is that we must make ...Surely, James F! What I mean is that we must make clear that the Theory of Evolution and Global Warming claims are distinct things.<br /><br />Of course the creationists want to link those things! Imagine if Global Warming is proved to be not happening as depicted, and it is linked to TofE in people's minds! Our credibility will be strongly stirred.Filipe Calvario (from Brazil)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-55996970794951367822010-03-21T16:01:18.005-04:002010-03-21T16:01:18.005-04:00And don't forget:
When the deniers promulgate...And don't forget:<br /><br />When the deniers promulgate a list of "dissenters" from the scientific consensus.<br /><br />Furthermore,<br /><br />3A. The deniers publish lists of peer-reviewed scientific papers that they claim supports their cause, but which actually don't contain evidence supporting their cause.James Fnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-41768213346432034172010-03-21T15:15:26.579-04:002010-03-21T15:15:26.579-04:00Filipe Calvario wrote:
I just think we shouldn...Filipe Calvario wrote:<br /><br /><i>I just think we shouldn't link the groups contrary to the Global Warming theory to the groups contrary to the Darwinian theory, for the results could be disastrous.</i><br /><br />If I recall correctly, the Discovery Institute and their allies were the first to make that link. As a PR movement themselves, they're trying to exploit a movement that has been highly successful from a PR standpoint. Look at the editorial cartoons calling <a href="http://www.cagle.com/news/GlobalWarmingScience/main.asp" rel="nofollow">global warming a hoax;</a> I can't remember ever seeing an editorial cartoon claiming evolution is a hoax.James Fnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-57776931563645688112010-03-21T11:08:07.575-04:002010-03-21T11:08:07.575-04:00"and taking no pleasure in denying"*."and taking no pleasure in denying"*.Filipe Calvario (from Brazil)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-17727597210412157332010-03-21T10:51:12.229-04:002010-03-21T10:51:12.229-04:00Wow, this time I must agree wtih Miranda: some peo...Wow, this time I must agree wtih Miranda: some people are more doubters than deniers about some hot topics on Science today, being Global Warming one of them. <br /><br />I, being an atheist myself, and having no please in "denying" Science, am very conufsed about it, after some things I've seen.<br /><br />I just think we shouldn't link the groups contrary to the Global Warming theory to the groups contrary to the Darwinian theory, for the results could be disastrous.Filipe Calvarionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-31648917042755209202010-03-20T22:48:42.291-04:002010-03-20T22:48:42.291-04:00"...why you should doubt the doubters:"
..."...why you should doubt the doubters:"<br /><br />Why do you switch from "doubters" to "deniers"?Mirandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-67356926988782736982010-03-20T22:47:05.132-04:002010-03-20T22:47:05.132-04:00"5. When the deniers claim that the very exis..."5. When the deniers claim that the very existence of a scientific consensus is a reason to doubt the consensus."<br /><br />Close.<br /><br />Number 12 says (using admittedly poor grammar): "When we <i>keep being told</i> that there’s a scientific consensus.Mirandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-87067889890573962652010-03-20T13:57:17.751-04:002010-03-20T13:57:17.751-04:00Number 8 is the strongest reason to accept science...Number 8 is the strongest reason to accept science, of course.<br /><br />But it is also the one that is rarely considered in the press, because it requires one to think about difficult subjects, often to a degree that one's brain just can't achieve. The first 7 are weaker reasons to accept science over pseudo-science, but they are easier to argue (but also to misuse). But although they are weaker they are validated (as your links show).crfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10726414637021391906noreply@blogger.com