tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post7897328203885226442..comments2023-12-21T06:35:36.624-05:00Comments on Recursivity: A Hundred Years Ago Today - Part III - On Board the MerionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-1308231350156712402020-11-21T18:19:54.811-05:002020-11-21T18:19:54.811-05:00My great grandfather was a fireman on SS Merion an...My great grandfather was a fireman on SS Merion and her sister ship. Only found this out of late.<br /><br />In his later life he suffered terribly with lung disease likely caused by his time at sea. Ryanssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10645621917124609450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-6419862549570318992019-08-25T12:41:36.763-04:002019-08-25T12:41:36.763-04:00My ggrandfather is on the Merion from Philadelphia...My ggrandfather is on the Merion from Philadelphia to Queenstown Apr 30 1914. Probably the last trip before the British took it over for the decoy. The trail for him goes cold after his departure. Anyone aware of any documentation showing arrival in Cobh for this line?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17024340267706199633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-19453571039681393372018-01-15T19:13:56.637-05:002018-01-15T19:13:56.637-05:00I found a Lizzie McCann on the Merion, leaving Liv...I found a Lizzie McCann on the Merion, leaving Liverpool June 18 1913 and arriving Philadelphia June 30 1913. If you contact me by e-mail (find my address with a google search) I can send you the images.Jeffrey Shallithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763971505497961430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-73823300876662763312018-01-15T15:45:59.717-05:002018-01-15T15:45:59.717-05:00Jeffrey, Both my great-grandmother and my grandmot...Jeffrey, Both my great-grandmother and my grandmother came from Scotland to Liverpool to Philadelphia on the SS Merion. My grandmother was only 6 months old at the time of the voyage and she was born on 12/2/12 in Glasgow, Scotland. She may have been on the same voyage as your relatives. I know I located the passenger list at one time and would like to find it again. My great-grandmother's name was Margaret McCann and my grandmother was Elizabeth McCann. I believe she was listed and infant or baby McCann. Do you know where I can locate the passenger list?<br />Thank you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17028489045245198507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-39796635614003770942016-12-03T14:01:10.960-05:002016-12-03T14:01:10.960-05:00My grandmother, elizabeth bremm, made this voyage ...My grandmother, elizabeth bremm, made this voyage from liverpool to Philly on July 23, 1913, she was german, but from russia, my mother was named after this ship , though the spelling changed years later to marion, my grandmother's destination, lincoln nebraska. Later on, in the 1990s my family purchased a 34 tollycraft, my mother's name, "marion lee" graced the boat,Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05608383081200611964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-16534079697399353572016-10-08T17:29:57.417-04:002016-10-08T17:29:57.417-04:00They are in a variety of places. For example, on ...They are in a variety of places. For example, on ancestry.com (paid site) here:<br /><br />http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8769<br /><br />and here on a free site (registration required):<br /><br />https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1921481<br /><br />Jeffrey Shallithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763971505497961430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-45032250741910733332016-10-08T17:07:01.641-04:002016-10-08T17:07:01.641-04:00My Grandmother and her family came on the Marion i...My Grandmother and her family came on the Marion in 1912.<br />How would I find Passenger lists for that year?<br /><br />Ellen Buckley Hartman<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723103309428739310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-75420744512933670162014-10-06T10:42:04.333-04:002014-10-06T10:42:04.333-04:00Jenny, if you send me your e-mail address, I'l...Jenny, if you send me your e-mail address, I'll send you a copy of another document from the <i>Merion</i> that I bought on ebay. You can easily find my e-mail address with a google search.Jeffrey Shallithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763971505497961430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-32969182034812666072014-10-06T10:04:12.892-04:002014-10-06T10:04:12.892-04:00Sorry, it's me again.
Just found a far bette...Sorry, it's me again. <br /><br />Just found a far better brochure for the ship.<br />http://www.gjenvick.com/HistoricalBrochures/AmericanLine/1907-Philadelphia-Queenstown-LiverpoolService-2ndCabin.html#axzz3FMlDGJMC<br /><br />"the fare for the best the ships afford is only about $3.50 a day".<br /><br />I've gone now! Best wishes.<br /><br />Jenny <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18032784263008340429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-33206798863443548582014-10-06T09:15:41.575-04:002014-10-06T09:15:41.575-04:00Thanks for the info. Trying to figure out exactly...Thanks for the info. Trying to figure out exactly what happened 100 years ago is not always easy, and there are often conflicting claims. Jeffrey Shallithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763971505497961430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-44751175230108324142014-10-06T09:10:09.904-04:002014-10-06T09:10:09.904-04:00This gets even more fascinating the more you look ...This gets even more fascinating the more you look into it! Yes, I was wrong about cabin grades! This link http://www.netsnake.com/wallachs/passage/hyman.html<br />includes a copy of an American Line brochure of the period, which says that on these ships there is only one class of cabin passengers. "On this service we call this Second Cabin. As there are no other cabin passengers carried, the passengers naturally have the best of everything on the ships".<br />The fares were clearly not going to get anywhere close to those of Ist Class passengers on the much faster Titanic ($150), but $36 was still a lot of money. If they went "steerage", that looks rather excessive.<br />Sorry to have stirred things up, but hopefully I've provided a bit more information about the ship, and I've found it interesting. Cheers. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18032784263008340429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-62550117977534764732014-10-06T07:54:09.696-04:002014-10-06T07:54:09.696-04:00This paper
http://eh.net/eha/wp-content/uploads/2...This paper<br /><br />http://eh.net/eha/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Weissetal.pdf<br /><br />gives the various fares for the classes. The amount my grandmother paid in 1913 matches 3rd class, not 1st or 2nd class.Jeffrey Shallithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763971505497961430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-56572502123031318472014-10-06T07:47:08.838-04:002014-10-06T07:47:08.838-04:00As further evidence, I know exactly how much my an...As further evidence, I know exactly how much my ancestors paid to come. It was $36 for my grandmother, a fee that is almost exactly the same as a "3rd class fare" listed <a href="http://www.gjenvick.com/Immigration/ImmigrantTickets/1913-06-03-ThirdClass-Receipt.html#axzz3FMW6bbSr" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />There is simply no way you could get luxurious accommodations for $36 on a transatlantic voyage in 1912-1913.Jeffrey Shallithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763971505497961430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-26545292176010600462014-10-06T07:42:37.233-04:002014-10-06T07:42:37.233-04:00Yes, but I don't believe everything I read.
D...Yes, but I don't believe everything I read.<br /><br />Did you follow the link I gave and look at the manifest?<br /><br />There were clearly at least two different classes: "cabin", which were listed on the little handout, and something else. The "something else" was likely what is called "steerage".<br /><br />At least, that's the way I interpret the documentary record. If you have some other evidence, I'd be happy to read it.Jeffrey Shallithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763971505497961430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-84406131691784305242014-10-06T07:39:20.980-04:002014-10-06T07:39:20.980-04:00Did you look at the link I gave, which related to ...Did you look at the link I gave, which related to Merion and her twin sister?<br /><br />"These two ships were, "following the usual practice of the Philadelphia service," fitted to carry one class of passenger only, in accommodation considered equal to first class on other ships."<br /><br />Cabins may well have been of different standards, but the accommodation was effectively first class throughout, like modern cruise ships have one class, though some passengers have balcony cabins, and some go for something a bit more basic.<br /><br />Dining may not have differentiated between "classes", however it may have been like the current Cunard style, where you go to a "better" dining room if you have a suite! <br /><br />Anyway, she seems to have been a nice ship, and deserved to "live" longer than she did.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18032784263008340429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-3891858342244640832014-10-06T07:18:42.370-04:002014-10-06T07:18:42.370-04:00Jennywiom: I don't think you're right.
...Jennywiom: I don't think you're right. <br /><br />Take a look at <a href="http://www.gjenvick.com/PassengerLists/AmericanLine/Westbound/1913-08-27-PassengerList-Merion.html#axzz3FMW6bbSr" rel="nofollow">this</a>. This list of "cabin passengers" is evidently intended to be complete; yet there are many, many passengers missing from the list (as you can verify by looking at the manifest).<br /><br />There is no way my ancestors could have afforded a luxurious fare.Jeffrey Shallithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763971505497961430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-50516630533889810842014-10-06T05:39:23.459-04:002014-10-06T05:39:23.459-04:00If you do a little more research, you will find th...If you do a little more research, you will find that this ship was built as one class only, so any ancestors lucky enough to sail on her went in comfort.<br /><br />See http://www.atlantictransportline.us/content/69Merion.htm<br />for a bit more detail and some interior photos.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18032784263008340429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-2206538247340067452014-08-18T19:45:14.362-04:002014-08-18T19:45:14.362-04:00my great grandmother was on that ship as well came...my great grandmother was on that ship as well came from kerry ireland to philadelphia, her name was catherine or katie barry, thank you for posting this picture, now I am able to see the ship she came on!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17960039839186845288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-73933805516339923802013-06-22T18:48:58.452-04:002013-06-22T18:48:58.452-04:00It's probably not well known outside the U.K. ...It's probably not well known outside the U.K. but a lot of gaelic speaking scots were evicted from their crofts (small farms)in the 19th century. The landowners seemed to act with callous indifference even though their tenants faced starvation. Many emigrated to North America. Wiki says there were an estimated 100,000 Gaelic speakers in Cape Breton around 1900.aljones909https://www.blogger.com/profile/10277116174278206834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20067416.post-24775458397458324442013-06-18T15:53:38.790-04:002013-06-18T15:53:38.790-04:00...you can see what appears to be a rabbi in the f...<i>...you can see what appears to be a rabbi in the front left section of the card.</i><br /><br />Nah, that's Charles Darwin, for sure.<br /><br />(OK, except that he'd been dead for 30 years by then).Steve Watsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022832831084750602noreply@blogger.com